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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2011/09/29/when-the-proton-becomes-larger/#comment-21524</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Possibly related to Einstein&#039;s relatively calculations about mass becoming infinite at the speed of light. Not an instantaneous event but as shown graphically an exponential driven change...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possibly related to Einstein&#8217;s relatively calculations about mass becoming infinite at the speed of light. Not an instantaneous event but as shown graphically an exponential driven change&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: fluidic</title>
		<link>http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2011/09/29/when-the-proton-becomes-larger/#comment-17885</link>
		<dc:creator>fluidic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 21:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[During the last few years, and in repeated within the last few months, it was suggested that when accelerated particles reach a substential fraction of c, no matter what particles we are accelerating, particle elastic deformation would be observed.

WHY? because particles are themselves a continuum of ultra-high density fluid / plasma, that temprorarily deforms and yields.  Initially deformation is &quot;elastic&quot;, when subjected to ultra-high accelerating magnetic fields in LHC tunnels.  If we gradually continue to accelerate protons, &quot;pull-force&quot; of the accelerating magnetic field acting on the particle gradually dilates the particle&#039;s geometric shape taking spheroidized or ellipsoidized or even skewed parabolic / hyperbolic spheroidal shape only from one side of the particle (pull-side).  Particle&#039;s original shape facing the direction of magnetic pull-force would confront gigantic shear stresses on the outer layers and shells of the particle which cause frontal-face dilation of the proton and which is observed as proton-proton cross-sectional increase that TOTEM has finally confirmed.

If we continue accelerating particles further, at some point before or after reaching speed of light, plastic deformations could also occur.  Not surprisingly, what this would mean when we reach there, that we possibly could detect formation of new form of quarks, with new masses, and new charges, which we could call quarkons, and hence newer unknown form of protons that we could call prokons. Quarkons and Prokons would necessarily uncover a vast train of particles that whatever we do with them, will lead to our undiscovered knowledge of the ultra-dense fluidity of protons and all subsequent matter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the last few years, and in repeated within the last few months, it was suggested that when accelerated particles reach a substential fraction of c, no matter what particles we are accelerating, particle elastic deformation would be observed.</p>
<p>WHY? because particles are themselves a continuum of ultra-high density fluid / plasma, that temprorarily deforms and yields.  Initially deformation is &#8220;elastic&#8221;, when subjected to ultra-high accelerating magnetic fields in LHC tunnels.  If we gradually continue to accelerate protons, &#8220;pull-force&#8221; of the accelerating magnetic field acting on the particle gradually dilates the particle&#8217;s geometric shape taking spheroidized or ellipsoidized or even skewed parabolic / hyperbolic spheroidal shape only from one side of the particle (pull-side).  Particle&#8217;s original shape facing the direction of magnetic pull-force would confront gigantic shear stresses on the outer layers and shells of the particle which cause frontal-face dilation of the proton and which is observed as proton-proton cross-sectional increase that TOTEM has finally confirmed.</p>
<p>If we continue accelerating particles further, at some point before or after reaching speed of light, plastic deformations could also occur.  Not surprisingly, what this would mean when we reach there, that we possibly could detect formation of new form of quarks, with new masses, and new charges, which we could call quarkons, and hence newer unknown form of protons that we could call prokons. Quarkons and Prokons would necessarily uncover a vast train of particles that whatever we do with them, will lead to our undiscovered knowledge of the ultra-dense fluidity of protons and all subsequent matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg Hauser</title>
		<link>http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2011/09/29/when-the-proton-becomes-larger/#comment-17254</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregg Hauser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 17:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A model of quarks as 3 pairs of charged &quot;spheres&quot; aka units connected by string stretched from the rings that make up the units is proposed in a the &lt;i&gt;mnp&lt;/i&gt; Model described at  www.worldlyte.com/physics/mnp

The &lt;i&gt;mnp&lt;/i&gt; Model pictures quarks not as stable structures themselves, but as semi-stable units created when the stable nucleon of 18 units connected by 9 strings is pulled apart. Quark units and their connectors (and electrons in shells) recruit mediators (aka m-figments that make up &quot;photons&quot; and lead to magnetism and charge effects) to flow over the surface and act as glue at the connection between string and &quot;sphere.&quot; The &quot;charge&quot; or &quot;structure&quot; recruits only a certain amount of mediators/m-figments per unit area (or only to a certain depth on the surface). 

At relativistic speed, the &lt;i&gt;mnp&lt;/i&gt; Unified Model predicts the surface of those &quot;spheres&quot; lengthens from the point of view of the mediators traveling at light speed, so more mediators/m-figments cover the surface from the point of view of the reference frame. The reference frame sees (and would experience, if it stood in front of the unit) an increase in mass. This increase in mass is not based on the rest mass of the proton, but the rest mass minus the mass of 3 electrons or positrons at rest.

The &lt;i&gt;mnp&lt;/i&gt; Model does not yet explain why units 1/6 the charge of electrons and positrons would be almost stable nor why spheroids of charge would be stable at the size of electrons and positrons, but it provides a model of interaction that could lead to such discoveries.

A simpler sketch of the high level results of the &lt;i&gt;mnp&lt;/i&gt; Unified Model, merely hinting at the low level structure, is at www.worldlyte.com/physics/mnp/unification.pdf

The concepts described therein propose to unify Quantum Mechanics and Relativity. Many interactions and structures become simpler or easier to imagine. The model also provides a picture of gravity as stochastic; all three basic entities act as gravitons. Gravitational calculations at an astronomic scale become astronomically more complicated.


The author has strong ties to the physics community, but is not a professional physicist. 

In whimsical moments, he suggests calling the high level results &quot;Ring Theory&quot;. In deference to mathematics and the pictorial nature of the proposals, &quot;The Ring Model&quot; might be a better term.

The high level images grew out of the thought experiment that became the &lt;i&gt;mnp&lt;/i&gt; Model. &quot;What if ALL interactions including gravity were local?&quot; &quot;What would it take for charge to work&quot;, followed by &quot;what would it take for a moving charge to create a magnetic field and an oscillating charge a photon&quot; Throw in &quot;if all the units travel at the speed of light, how is it that photon parts don&#039;t wander&quot; and &quot;how would &#039;charge&#039; units stay in one place instead of all flying off.&quot; This last question is answered by rings on one charge paired with rings of another charge rotating the opposite direction (neutrinos and string) and rings on one charge all rotating the same direction covering some closed surface like a sphere (Electrons, positrons, and quark units).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A model of quarks as 3 pairs of charged &#8220;spheres&#8221; aka units connected by string stretched from the rings that make up the units is proposed in a the <i>mnp</i> Model described at  <a href="http://www.worldlyte.com/physics/mnp" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldlyte.com/physics/mnp</a></p>
<p>The <i>mnp</i> Model pictures quarks not as stable structures themselves, but as semi-stable units created when the stable nucleon of 18 units connected by 9 strings is pulled apart. Quark units and their connectors (and electrons in shells) recruit mediators (aka m-figments that make up &#8220;photons&#8221; and lead to magnetism and charge effects) to flow over the surface and act as glue at the connection between string and &#8220;sphere.&#8221; The &#8220;charge&#8221; or &#8220;structure&#8221; recruits only a certain amount of mediators/m-figments per unit area (or only to a certain depth on the surface). </p>
<p>At relativistic speed, the <i>mnp</i> Unified Model predicts the surface of those &#8220;spheres&#8221; lengthens from the point of view of the mediators traveling at light speed, so more mediators/m-figments cover the surface from the point of view of the reference frame. The reference frame sees (and would experience, if it stood in front of the unit) an increase in mass. This increase in mass is not based on the rest mass of the proton, but the rest mass minus the mass of 3 electrons or positrons at rest.</p>
<p>The <i>mnp</i> Model does not yet explain why units 1/6 the charge of electrons and positrons would be almost stable nor why spheroids of charge would be stable at the size of electrons and positrons, but it provides a model of interaction that could lead to such discoveries.</p>
<p>A simpler sketch of the high level results of the <i>mnp</i> Unified Model, merely hinting at the low level structure, is at <a href="http://www.worldlyte.com/physics/mnp/unification.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldlyte.com/physics/mnp/unification.pdf</a></p>
<p>The concepts described therein propose to unify Quantum Mechanics and Relativity. Many interactions and structures become simpler or easier to imagine. The model also provides a picture of gravity as stochastic; all three basic entities act as gravitons. Gravitational calculations at an astronomic scale become astronomically more complicated.</p>
<p>The author has strong ties to the physics community, but is not a professional physicist. </p>
<p>In whimsical moments, he suggests calling the high level results &#8220;Ring Theory&#8221;. In deference to mathematics and the pictorial nature of the proposals, &#8220;The Ring Model&#8221; might be a better term.</p>
<p>The high level images grew out of the thought experiment that became the <i>mnp</i> Model. &#8220;What if ALL interactions including gravity were local?&#8221; &#8220;What would it take for charge to work&#8221;, followed by &#8220;what would it take for a moving charge to create a magnetic field and an oscillating charge a photon&#8221; Throw in &#8220;if all the units travel at the speed of light, how is it that photon parts don&#8217;t wander&#8221; and &#8220;how would &#8216;charge&#8217; units stay in one place instead of all flying off.&#8221; This last question is answered by rings on one charge paired with rings of another charge rotating the opposite direction (neutrinos and string) and rings on one charge all rotating the same direction covering some closed surface like a sphere (Electrons, positrons, and quark units).</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Flower</title>
		<link>http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2011/09/29/when-the-proton-becomes-larger/#comment-16139</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Flower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 01:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The protons are accelerated by radio waves; and since the protons are made of charged quarks, possibly the electric field component is accelerating the quarks?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The protons are accelerated by radio waves; and since the protons are made of charged quarks, possibly the electric field component is accelerating the quarks?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Goodwin</title>
		<link>http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2011/09/29/when-the-proton-becomes-larger/#comment-16108</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Goodwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This may be a naive question, but what physical mechanism is responsible for this effect? The only thing I can think of is that some of the energy used to accelerate the proton goes into making the quarks move more rapidly relative to one another - effectively increasing the &quot;temperature&quot; of the composite system. But I imagine that is way off beam (as it were).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be a naive question, but what physical mechanism is responsible for this effect? The only thing I can think of is that some of the energy used to accelerate the proton goes into making the quarks move more rapidly relative to one another &#8211; effectively increasing the &#8220;temperature&#8221; of the composite system. But I imagine that is way off beam (as it were).</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe Matthews (QD blogger)</title>
		<link>http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2011/09/29/when-the-proton-becomes-larger/#comment-16026</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoe Matthews (QD blogger)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Woohoo! I submitted my thesis before this was out but the result is going into the corrected version I am sure! This is what so many people have been waiting for...excellent! :-D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woohoo! I submitted my thesis before this was out but the result is going into the corrected version I am sure! This is what so many people have been waiting for&#8230;excellent! <img src='http://www.quantumdiaries.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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