Comments on: The mystery remains on the Higgs boson http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2012/11/15/the-mystery-remains-on-the-higgs-boson/ Thoughts on work and life from particle physicists from around the world. Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:43:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.3 By: CERN http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2012/11/15/the-mystery-remains-on-the-higgs-boson/#comment-96845 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 16:46:02 +0000 http://www.quantumdiaries.org/?p=26709#comment-96845 Dear Mario,

thank you for your reply. I had a look at you site and your theory about primons. Interesting but like any theory, it needs to be corroborated by experimental evidence. So far, such evidence has not been found despite what you claim, at least nothing that has been overwhelmingly accepted by the scientific community. But you have an interesting view point here. Thank you for sharing it.

Cheers, Pauline

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By: Mario E. de Souza http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2012/11/15/the-mystery-remains-on-the-higgs-boson/#comment-96720 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:01:45 +0000 http://www.quantumdiaries.org/?p=26709#comment-96720 Dear Pauline,

Take a look at the site http://www.primons.com and see that the Standard Model Higgs boson does not exist simply because quarks are composite and, thus, there should exist three spin zero Higgs-like bosons (two charged and on neutral).

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By: Gavin Flower http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2012/11/15/the-mystery-remains-on-the-higgs-boson/#comment-94672 Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:28:22 +0000 http://www.quantumdiaries.org/?p=26709#comment-94672 My understanding is that some particles have more mass than can be explained by the existing set of fundamental particles in the Standard Model – excluding the Higgs.

Assuming that just one field/particle is responsible for the extra mass: then there are at least 2 values (one of which is mass) of the Higgs Boson, which can not be determined even approximately by the Standard Mode – except perhaps as a range. However, several properties such as electric charge and spin can be determined. So the current Higgs candidate was found by looking for a particle that matched the predicted properties. However, the particle itself could not be detected as it is so unstable, so the decay products where looked for – fortunately, the theory predicted frequency of the various decay modes – unfortunately, the particles in the decay modes are also produced by other factors. Hence a combination of phenomenally cunning mathematics and massive brute force computing must be applied to the extremely large number of collision observed in the LHC by the armies of experimental physicists working in consort with legions of theoretical physicists.

A compounding factor is the assumption that there is just one Higgs to be ‘observed’. If there is more than one, then the properties of the one we have found will differ from those predicted on the basis of just one, and other Higgs are waiting to to be discovered with less well defined properties.

So physicists are carefully investigating what properties this new particle actually has, such as the relative frequencies of the decay modes of the current Higgs candidate and the other characteristics like spin and parity. Also they are extending the search into other mass ranges; as several theories explaining the extra mass, require more than just one Higgs.

I note that physicists are being extremely careful not to claim the current Higgs candidate is the one and only possibility.

So I take exception when someone appears to cavalierly dismisses the current current Higgs candidate with one equation of apparently dubious parentage (I’m attempting to be diplomatic, but failing), that has a distinct lack of theoretical justification and total absence of any reference to experimental results. Even if the equation was well founded theoretically, it would still have to be firmly tied into experimental results – even then, a good explanation as to why the current current Higgs candidate that appears to be a good match but isn’t, would need to be given.

The above is my current personal view, and did not involve the creation of spherical cows in pairs or otherwise (to the best of my limited knowledge).

Since I am not a licensed physicist, please consult a properly certified physicist before allowing the above to alter your world view.

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By: CERN http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2012/11/15/the-mystery-remains-on-the-higgs-boson/#comment-94659 Sun, 18 Nov 2012 08:12:12 +0000 http://www.quantumdiaries.org/?p=26709#comment-94659 Hello Gavin,

I hesitated before approving your comment We try to keep a discussion to the point here. But given the excellent humor in your comment, it would have been a pity to trash it! Thanks for the excellent joke on Schroedinger’s cat!

Cheers, Pauline

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By: Gavin Flower http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2012/11/15/the-mystery-remains-on-the-higgs-boson/#comment-94657 Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:54:31 +0000 http://www.quantumdiaries.org/?p=26709#comment-94657 The Higgs does not exist because the number of angels that can dance on a pin head is an even number that is positive semi-definite and less than the multiplicative identity.

Or perhaps the reason is that Leprechauns are restricted to Ireland?

How can we trust physicists who dare to do experiments that might contradict our notion on how the Universe works, especially when they torture cats in existentialist experiments?

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By: Einsteinin aivot ja muita viikon uutisia « Merkintöjä http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2012/11/15/the-mystery-remains-on-the-higgs-boson/#comment-94421 Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:50:38 +0000 http://www.quantumdiaries.org/?p=26709#comment-94421 […] spin-0, mutta nyt käsitellyn datan mukaan mukaan spin voisi vielä mahdollisesti olla 2 eikä 0. Tämän uutisen mukaan sen todennäköisyys alkaa olla jo aika pieni. Kerätty data olisi sopusoinnussa sen kanssa, että […]

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By: Antonio Saraiva http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2012/11/15/the-mystery-remains-on-the-higgs-boson/#comment-94330 Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:45:36 +0000 http://www.quantumdiaries.org/?p=26709#comment-94330 The Higgs doesn’t exist because the mass is an electric dipole moment:

m = q.k/x (1-pi^3.alpha^2 /2)

m-mass or an electric dipole moment;q-electron charge;
k-Boltzmann constant(square meter);x-Compton wavelength;
pi = 3.1415927; alpha = fine structure constant.

kilogram = coulomb x meter

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